Hey good morning Jeff Duncan. Hey congressman Duncan this is John turn junk Portland Debbie Ortiz lip service shows good to have you this thanks for joining us. That's great debate here I'm sure I haven't. Look the NCAA and this is. Oh and hard for us to have you here this is actually the first ultimately we've we've had a congressman. On our ship on purpose at all. Well I can understand that well again. It's not yet we don't know whether is that is our personalities run homer or the emails her request is you know that we are glad to have the year end. Obviously to talk with you about the hearing protection act. Dealing with this oppressors. Also known as saucers all that and also joined in the studio here with them manufacture local. Company Chris James palmetto state defense and so thanks thanks for just thinking about that we appreciate. Absolutely and you know we're really trying to. Discourage folks from years in the workshop archer in this debate because really oppressors. But I she Putin's upshot subsonic and do not silence say just that dampen or suppress a sound so. It just helps other side's argument that you columns solitary the president and most Americans and Stacey James Bond scratched up and on the end of this. Walter PB 38 or whatever and and and and being totally quiet and we all know that. You know suppressed arms are quiet and factor heir Lauder and a lot of things we would consider lout like jackhammers and jet engines and that's and so. We're trying to really encourage folks here and in Capitol Hill to. To use that term suppressor. That's a fairer way to do things in and as I'm sure you're aware. Last year the bill in its previous generation 3799 was in the top ten most viewed bills. On the Internet this week is a matter of fact its current generation 367 is number four most few bills so that. Do we know that people are are getting their eyes on this and we know that people are excited about it. One of the questions I've got for you though congressman Duncan is our people aware of what affect this bill is having on the industry. While sitting in subcommittee in not doing anything. Yeah I mean they are we're trying to raise awareness that are allowed senate Americans that are interest in purchasing a prep the suppressor or not doing so at the moment let. I hope that congress well law will rapidly pass SN. You know my message to them is secure interest and purchase pressure go ahead and and follow application that the ATF and and dust artwork into the process. 200 dollar they had about background checks but. I just know the speed of congress on legislation as almost like molasses on on a cold day. It. But as you know this bill even though it's the second or third introduction I was cosponsor last year with Matt's comments that realignment was glad taken out this year. Now we're trying to encourage. That the committee's jurisdiction to move on it. You know we're we're garnering sponsorships and Backus is gaining in number of sponsorships that we have which is a good thing because we can we can request a hearing would reach a certain point. Bomb. This this bill Isaac or two committees. Ask you to judiciary because of the illegality part of it. Dallas has to go to waste in names which handles attacks stamp part of it so. Kevin Brady chairman always remain just focus on not tax reform. This is the furthers thing from his mind and place a main choice once I would obamacare repealed just into waste means as well also. And judiciary I'm gonna let the chairman there. Is been working on its mother thinks we need encouragement for those chairman Kevin Brady of Texas populace from Virginia. We need encouragement from folks all across America. They wanted to see this change of loss and they can back. Suppression like any other accessories are arm over the counter although they would have to go to the federal. Has sent out dealer and have a background chip just like they would if they were perched in a firearm bill raids. To make it easier from the first accessory if they want that. Best thing they can do is call their congressman and then also. Light at the fond of these committees at a committee chairman and request a hearing on this bill and and request not just hearing a mark up so that woman dispelled the floor for a vote. Do you think that they're staying in its current iteration in as 367 does it have the traction I guess to get through its its respective sub committees. And in two. A formal house vote. I think it does I mean you look at the number of co sponsors that we're been able to. To garner for this they're grown every day and I give a shout at last after work very hard out. Have reached out other members and then giving me members' individual membership talked to myself and what I do and stern talk and let's go out like mark staffer Kirk. Our mark emanate from Nevada whoever about a oh. The suppressor bill and and and they're hearing protection act of what it means for the hearing. For hunters and and the fact that you can't Wear. Here protectionist here Turkey hunting 'cause you really need to hear that Turkey gobble notorious Malaysian responding and that sort of thing it's utters get it and they understand that. That the bomb blast not doubt behind us my issue every had a whatever damages your hearing and you really can't Wear hearing protection. And the quality on her personally in the game others like Taylor corps color ducks are trickier. What we're yet to hear your quarry so. When I start explaining to individual members of congress. Why it is so important for the they hearing protection of America's Connors. Coming hunters have appreciate hearing from the report about how powered rifle or. Shotgun and a panic situation. Hand on his left hand and hunters out there and they start they they start to get it they started start to makes sense with some and can we start gaining traction so this bill's got a lot more traction today had a hand in the last congress. And the way to get more traction is for your listeners. And people across the country. To call their congressman they donate call made it don't need to call. Mark Sanford jealous and I probably our own delegation on this bill. Many great Satan likes it over on the senate side. And I had a brief conversation about it so I think we can get some movement on such once we get the house. Just look at the right direction but but we need more we need more co sponsors and we might need more effort. To be put on the committee chairman committee's jurisdiction waste and ancient judiciary to get this bill moving. Yeah I just designed to aid and anecdotal. You know in Europe there play of countries where in order to hunt do you have to have a suppressor. And down I think the the left side of the aisle has got a fondness for all things European so they act think that would be an easy sell. To get it through line on their side to say look you guys wanna be like Europe here's a way we can be more European. I have absolutely I think I tell people that they're barely alone in Europe and and that. Saying Obama over the counters like in accessory and need think about the restrictive gun nature gun rights and in Europe that that yet you can about suppressor easily they can regulate and and EG get on it when I look at the research ships oppressors in this country really has backed the market having days in the game mortgages this country. Not warning hunters to have suppressed or because they needed this year where the market owners were killed and waterfowl the fur bearing creatures and this but the days of a migratory bird treaty act and the dates of of it conservation Africa anywhere is about. Suppressor or restricted ban any air through it because the game boards that want under urged they open up it was suppressed firearms. To detect classify them as this whole automatic weapon band. And at a chili bowl on them and you just kept go to the process and that is likely stop background checks 200 dollars and this ought to be sold across to Canada's like any other century because for the sanction pitched good Europe it's critical component 42 states displayed on web. In forty states and and that's gaining momentum up the state level also. If it helps the neighbors. That that don't like the sound of the shot and go on offer at a local sporting clay arrange or the sound of the backyard clinker. This oppressive get some opted suppress that sound and and keep here we are friendliness with your neighbors. It just so many benefits from allows pressure to be sold like an accessory. And I hope we can get this this to congress and and and 150000. But also they edit and Euro briefly 'cause I know you probably have to get back and listened Steny Hoyer some more which I'm sure is exciting for you. One of the challenges that we're currently facing especially since 41 F went through which was the addition of photographs to accompanied the fingerprints when you fill out the the paperwork. Is the extended wait times now we're looking at it somewhere on the order of six to nine months to get that's tech. And optimistic I think it's more like. Twelve out of fourteen months and from mode I'm going anatomy and. No end it was a year you're just add fuel to putt putt. 01 of the things that they we were curious about and I know that Chris is from from a manufacturer's standpoint. Is it. If we're not going to get this thing through. Then is the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms gonna add additional staff to cut down on this wait time on May not know how far on the government is of you know spending money and hiring people so maybe they can hire some people with that in that particular bureau. To cut down on some of those wait time because to be quite honest it's is starting to become corny. But I mean you're right I think one great signal descend the agency. Is that. Has had a hearing and that shows the intent of congressman Ford even we don't get the bill. That Americans when I have access as well make it eastern as our points we can bring out and the committee hearing. Kind of the kind of accent checked art ATF to expedite that current applications. Because just ludicrous to attack. Have to go through this kind of background checks when you look at. So oppressors in general. That are used and cram assessed at ten squad anomaly yet so small. That. The need for fire background checks and all that were required of of American Express and their exercise their Second Amendment Rights away. Is ludicrous though. I mean really affect a crumble lost due to suppress fire arm they can do it they can make a suppressor in there home page pressure on their garages not to. It's not the best thing at its criminal can on the end of firearm that you could if you want to commit a crime what suppressed weapon. It is ludicrous but physicists statistical anomaly and amounts oppressors they're being used to commit crimes and criminals are gonna. Violate the law anyway modicum. Of respect well there's pressure all of those automatic weapon law whether it's. The country's own lost that a satellite that is committed crimes and so to bring crime into this visit is a really asinine argument. They think it's just more of a perception thing from the movies TV shows that everybody. Thinks that this stuff is linked to crime organized crime spas are good guys vs mag asked type stuff this. It's having a sense send them out by current. They it makes owning owning up suppressed or saint group refer a lot of Americans that. By the end of the day. This is about the hearing held. Partners and Thomas status that they wanna shoot and don't. Either can't Wear hearing protection or don't wanna Wear hearing protection when there. When they're shooting exporting place us under degrees outside engineers pressed arm and her tree caring person wearing. Cumbersome. Sweaty headphones when you're out there shooting underground sporting clay so. It just so many and an end and the hunters and shooters they get it. It's the other side that have never been exposed to power arms. Who have a who who who don't understand who were our. They see these things glorify about Hollywood I have this perception that we have to educate. That it's just wrong on this issue. Well I think some some solid numbers to look at that that I think would be beneficial would it would be to look no further than the veterans administration or any insurance company then. It is support so law enforcement agencies. The number guys to get out of military with this drastic hearing loss. The number of of law enforcement officers then retire and are getting big insurance payouts because they came here anymore is astronomical and and being a veteran of both. I can assure you that did both of those things are very valid and drugs are Jefferies talking of their way. Yeah but I don't look at the. Yeah here is exactly right out and researchers numbers that. In I have so many dealings with veterans here and then I'll listen nice job that. A lot of boring here gates especially down the older ones. You know they've they've had made a cumulative affect of hearing loss serving in the military there as they get older they. They end up a really neat and hearing an agent. You're exactly right I'm sure that's a huge culture of the day. And insurance companies now. Well without a doubt a CD's cost I mean that's say Al wanna say it's somewhere along the lines of 5% disability rating just walking out the door. With the DD 214 and then from the from the law enforcement side. I know if there's law enforcement agencies across country now their outfitting all of their long guns with suppress yours. Simply because they're getting tired of paying out every time somebody gets involved an officer involved shooting and they lose their hearing in the Marine Corps is even looking that deploying it with infantry absolutely there are. Well I mean if you look at to flash a pressure on the end of normal and for. RA or fourteen. Best on the sound out and back. Which is try and that's now back at has won this poem Jerker that firearms so. It that's when the military it's got to sort of an exacerbating factor. Which is that this does Tom what let's flash suppressor which you know is a good thing you don't want the enemy did know where that. That backlash is coming from so they can targeted and so. Cabinet splash pressure on the air but that the result of that is the sound is going a different direction but straight out and the parents does affect the military more than. Anyone. True story eight gentlemen you get anything dom good man I'm the I'm glad we exactly yeah and he just. Answered every single one of them right off the best. I don't. Well let me just say illustration I'm up arms and daisy SI. And not someone that just here's a pocket constitution around an anchor at talk about Sacramento it's mind that illustrates that and a lot to shoot a lot of times. There's and Turkey seasons coming on out will be in the woods. The paper tickets as we cannot hope and get ready for this season. You know. Just about everything from well to those deduct. Disappeared and joked 20 dear to. To turkeys and and in the meantime I try to shoot a cavity here two's I'm someone as they were there are a lot. And and I kept me here and I lost myself my left here which is they hear that generally. Just most of the report of karma that may eardrum and had an about quality push it over my head. Without experience that is not someone that's just read about it apple that it and I would love to protect the hearing for other Americans who want to enjoy it out coached. What do you look congressman Duncan the next time you're back in your your district your warm welcome to come join us live on the show one day and we'll talk about guns and ammunition and kill and stuff. I mean that's all right up my in the little obsessed. Love but they are fifteen and edits the Barbie go from any trick it out and it's a made different components on it and positions meat from shooting. App exe or shoot export but standpoint but. I'm a moderate Jews Lou I would love to talk about optics sand. And ballistics and all those things would be to ask you do great job when I was leadership talking about all the things. We can we tell in this it'd be great to get an actual true to life politician on and do the nine millimeter vs 40000 that they become cluttered because he's bloody may give we have we have we need to bring some Secret Service gas the stats aren't you guys something has got to something's gonna go go down. So via well let's and I. Conceal carry weapon holder and not military at creating any gas price beat me up for bacteria cannot but you know what it would need to Wear a suit sometimes is very different protest. Then have a bigger weapon. Let's just a little much shot I placement yet. So let's just think it's extra promised to work on top partnership. In the industry another bird operations apart we can't try to get it to congress. But they're people they're listening it if you suppress armed today. Or this year you probably. Should go ahead and start on your paperwork. And and get that processed come at that keeps us fresh competition does best so that all play well happen ability about it successors over the counter. And that Barack Obama should congress are trying to push forward and make this easier freed about. Thank you appreciate so much our lives and we greatly appreciate it and we look forward to talking to union brother picked up they say welcome excellent service John and check here with you on one a 63 WORD. The F State's top station and coming back now. A lot of us second nemesis second amendment's pretty much eating up our number one we had the two segment interview there with congressman Jeff Duncan talking about the hearing protection act. And what was. Unique and an interesting with our our Tom with the congressman. That's what we're talking about the hearing protection act is is not so much just looking at it from may be me is that as a shooting in the easiest and in my interest in that. But was being able to bring in the the manufacturing. Side of that with with companies that are right here in the area of which we had. Chris was this yesterday and then also who here with us today to continue the discussion on this Chris James from a PS Isa good to have you pissing and this could be here and of course years it checks by I don't I don't know it people that are in any kind of cool on. Factory and oppressors or you know anything it's the day really cools I have to depend on on Chad to bring in all the interest. Well that is the speaker to rely on me for interest in. 088 you know it would you're right though was good to get an industry. Standpoint yes on on the discussion enacting Chris you found yesterday that. You know if there was anticipation that we would have to turn to ask a lot of questions it was going to be kind of like pulling my teeth but we found that he he'd he came pretty well prepared. Would would you agree with Ankara she did he did and years a lot of questions we get everyday. We'll get lots of emails we get lots of questions on the phone customers come in and their one and oh you know. And you know what's this thing get passed what can I do to help and he you know pretty much just answered all that right off the bat. You know gave us a good idea what we can do to help this thing passes and get it pushed through. Well I was just truth even it out part I'm pardon my laughter 01 of one of the big guy. Concerns I think in the in the shooting community is earned not even concerned early questions is. Should I go ahead spend the money now and and start. Start the process only to have this this thing pass and I love wasted money. And I think the the congressman kind of put that to bed with no it's not going to be a waste money because once this thing passes. And correct me if I'm wrong but there's going to be a literal fire sale. On and on product and then that will also affect that the manufacturing in by lack of raw matier. Well like we saw 41 F. You know just just a small rule change on the paperwork associated with registering a suppressor. There was there was a general lack of availability. And from from what we can make now so you can imagine. If the floodgates opened there's going to be next to nothing available the day after it passes. I. I would like you said 141 half went through. Everybody in their brother knew that they had a finite amount of time to it to get in before they had to start adding on the photographs that extra step which. Which turned out to be a pain in the butt in everything did and the disappear. Because there was so many sold now imagine multiplying that. By removing. Bear yours from. Access to a suppressor. It affects the the current inventory and then in order to make it to editor replenish that inventory. You've got to have raw materials to make the product with which everybody will be vying for the same raw material come from the same places. Yeah I mean not only that I mean machine tolls of the to to grow and expand the amount that we can make any given period of time. And in their there's only so many in the country in so many so much raw material that's all gonna get eaten up pretty quick. Before everybody can come back on a catch up and and supply can can meet the demand. You know what I thought was a theory interest teen. Item that came up in the discussion. Was the perception vs reality of this site is here of course this oppressors AKA sign winters which they're really not silencing any thing is just or reducing the that. The audible moist. The Europeans. That are very restrictive means some countries you can't see a citizen. Cannot own a firearm in others it's very restrictive you can get one but they're generally. Shotguns or some type of rifle for hunting. Handgun ownership very restricted. But even in all those countries that make up Europe. They don't they don't release it this oppressor seem like common sense to demo will of course yes if you're going to see. To hunt or shoot sporting clay user or anything yes by all means protect your hearing with a suppressor. Yet we get over here in this country and it's like dome and the markets a wide open as far as selling firearms. But then this perception. That is created by the entertainment media. And then there are used the term fake news. About. Oh gosh well if we just. Let anybody get a suppressor that would that wants one. Blood in the the crime rates just gonna skyrocket or if there's a shoot out somewhere in the police are going to be. End in trouble causes may be all the all the the gang bangers in the in the thugs and criminals. Are gonna have signed answer is on the weapons in the police won't know where the shots are coming back. All of this this it seat it rains. In the general public discussion as oppressors in this country is astounding. Well it let me ask you Chris what is thing you've got. A Daschle meter that she used it to kind of get an idea of what the the noise reduction is. Suppress verses on suppress. So kind of ballpark average what is the the reduction in in in new ways that you get with the suppressor vs without. We'll talk with the do a lot of testing on a rifle suppressor. Lately you know a lot due to interest from long Portman department's point protect the officers hearing. And in the news in the event that they have to use a rifle. And we found anywhere between 32 and 35 vessels depending on conditions. The typical un suppressed in four rifles about a 165. Decimals. The shooter and we can reduce that. Two about a 13132. Decimal so you're going from a jet plane taking off to something that's. Mildly uncomfortable at best. Yeah I mean it's still light out. And it's it's still recognizable as a gunshot is it still allow it it's not. You know silence as as the as they appear on on the movies but the same time. Were under that 140 decimals which OSHA. Has determined. Causes hearing damage for for imports impulse noises. So you know the shooters knock. Accruing hearing damage from firing that gone and yeah but it is still recognizable as a gunshot. You know one of the things that she just brought up and and we even brought up with congressman Duncan who's the number law enforcement agencies that are in shouldn't even the Marine Corps garage door or yeah. Outfitting what was it but I have it was battalion. That the advantages that come with having suppressed weapons from a tactical standpoint being able to maintain command and control. And one of the things that was brought up by a major agency was. Not only the the insurance. Liability in claims from officers that have been involved in shootings where they had damage their hearing. But the the public safety issue where. There there's an officer involved shooting or shooting of some kind. And that's only heard in one block radius verses half mile radius. I think that that. Is kind of a strong selling point war. Anybody. Really end and how is how is he industry addressing that Chris is that something that. The industry as a whole is Canon it kind of RAMP up for is this a big push in law enforcement to achieve same wars is kind of an anomalous. Situation agency to agency. Well it's it's kind of becoming more the norm and and law enforcement now when we first got into this you know five years ago. We would have a law enforcement agencies tell us you know you know we really want him but but only for the swat teams. You know our our our guys on this and on patrol. We think it looks too militaristic or current looks too aggressive. And you know they're they're becoming more the norm especially in honing. And people using for recreation and and there are they're not so associated with with being militaristic or or aggressive and and more associated with. A safety device. You know it's it's funny that you bring up than the than militaristic. Yeah I will never let me back to one of our our very first conversations. Several past few years again yes. And we were talking about that type of thing in and say you kind of came back to me with so it's it's more the perception or watch some them looks like rather than the actual function of of the object right it it it's like a law enforcement agency have enough of bear or day a say they get an M wrapper. Some type of armored vehicle. Through a government program or my god they've got tanks yes in the same thing applies here with this pressure GC you know is a purse it's percent perception is reality perception is the cruelest form of reality it it really is how much time we got left for break in and yeah where they Erica Allen you enter there's a wedge in there and as is that they would forget these text messages. Win now when we get back in your file size and I know it it's it's always quick yep it's too quick slip service 163 WO lord be with chuck and John. Stay tuned his we're gonna talk about his constitutional Kerry thing you won't get back. We set the altar with each. Oh man ladies and gentlemen John tenets or parsley disservice and us you never know what's gonna happen mail a lot of radio is a rather dynamic environment and I I guess apparently there's a show that's. 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Two parts used an overall one part here is seen yet and input that in the soil around it in its in its amazing the care seemed very important if you go any different it make pies and so he's yeah he's Hudson but let's let's get off to conceal our demand for run out of time now because I wanna make people angry OK well. Kerry bill moves ahead in the South Carolina house South Carolina house subcommittee passed a bill Thursday. That would allow anyone who can legally and this is the key to key wording here anyone who can legally buy a gun. To care he would openly without needing a permit or to carry it concealed. Brett Mike Pitts republic and that Republican Adam. Canton at the Pope hoping to make. Republican from Lawrence is sponsored the bill and quoting him my reasoning behind it is is a constitutional right the Second Amendment to the bill of rights. He's a former police officer says that. Where people bring up the law enforcement aspect when this is gonna make it harder for every cop out there on the street to do their jobs. He. Frankly is quoted here saying no I treated every one. Is if they had afar in firearm anyway when I was a police officer. Then of course she's gotten the opposing view points from the as they always say my steamed colleague from the other side of it's wrap window Gil your Democrat out of Charleston says he's gonna fight this quoting him it's crazy and it's dangerous. We're inviting trouble now well we ones that just might get that on the roads around. Here you know I I agree with that the first guy that you know is is a cocky treat everybody like they've got a gun yeah you know that they don't have one Emilia just you know the first rule washer safeties you treat everybody the same. We're right where I have a disagreement though it with this this whole idea of an open Carrey and I think what they're driving that is. You can still get a concealed carry permit time and carry concealed but it outside of that yes if you wanna carry a gun it will have to be open care via I think is the crux of the whole thing. And eight where our run into issues with open Carrey in general. Is the lack of training. People don't train even people with concealed carry permits don't train enough in campaigning with a broad brush here in ten gallon yeah. But the one thing that. Then I don't think is trained. Near enough. Is weapon retention. And if you're open carrying a gun and you know people are armed only thing we know we shared the videos on our FaceBook page. Pretty regularly Wear a police officer his body can dash cam video. This cell phone video by heavy. Of officers getting into struggles with individuals and the perpetrators you know again reaching trying to. Pull the pistol out of the the holster a million law enforcement officer and you know they've got the cops had the advantage with third. It is the bare minimum triple or tension Holston so you've got you know you've got to give a drop of blood your firstborn male child know the secret handshake to get your daddy your whole snap. The average averaged they casual. Kerry person. Isn't going to spend that money they're not gonna spend that money on that that safari land holster that whatever holster. This got 123 capture attention this enemy of velcro strap across the hammer it's going to be a snapper so I like that. And it what do you do once somebody has a hold a year ago and how do you keep them from drying affirm your holster and keep your bullet in your pocket yet it's asked and exactly so I guess aides tell it to turn to policy is sound the brass tack. It it all comes down to training and are people going to put into training. And and know how to hang onto their weapon they get a no and be able to understand from from there. Personal ability they're they're capability in there there there it. Confidence. Wear their red line is like we discussed any other weekend camp and and be able to act appropriately. And I just I should I feel strongly that there should be. It may be not government mandated training base there should be some type of of 'cause you can't you can't count on. The that the average person out there and again that's an average first look at the average person around you driving in traffic and some of the silliness we see going on haunt. You know just let people operating a motor vehicle I'm very pro constitution. It's it's. It's just yet I give Nike's citizens are we just gonna get down to say no okay if something like this sort of past that is gonna be just a case. Darwin his own it it would just be survival of the fittest and the people that are gonna open Kyrie and do so here responsibly and earnest stupidly. An untrained or just they're gonna get weeded out. Well I act I don't know way and I know we're gonna get the calls are gonna start pouring in here and a second because well they already have we're gonna start getting the you know. Driving is not a right driving India privilege and yelled an egg scenario we understand that completely I'm I'm just saying you have to Corley look at how irresponsible some people are. With operating a you know a 3000 pound issues the or even up. A Smart Car for that example on the same people that are out there running a stop signs are running the red lights texting and driving new and all that that that these bills are saying. People of the same type of mentality. Then have no criminal record and are over the short Narnia there to by a a firearm in an open Cary. Without giving any training I tell you can we count on people to be Smart enough to say yeah I need to get some training hatch. Can't we cannot let's go to the news all right. 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